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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I am trying to find information on what the courts here in Illinois have ruled as "container carry" and what is required.
What I'm particularly interested in is if, when the gun is in its "container" (center console, glovebox, fanny pack, etc.), does the speed-loader or magazine have to be in a separate container? Can the speed-loader or magazine be IN the same container, just not in the gun?
If anybody has a link to this information, please post it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:25 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

In container carry the ammo can be in the same container, but not in weapon. Mag loaded, speed loader loaded but not in weapon. In Diggins vs Illinois (page 3 and 4) it was ruled that a glove box, console is a container or case. In Chicago, that may be something else again, as they interpet the law different. Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Quote "In Chicago, that may be something else again, as they interpet the law different."

So very true.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ammo can be in the same container and in a mag. Check the faq on the ILSP website

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:39 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for the info.

I was at a "meet & greet" for some GOP candidates the other day and we wre discussing that. They thought the ammo had to be in a different location, such as gun in center console, mag in glovebox. I thought it was OK to have them together as long as not "in" the gun. I just needed help to find out where the info could be found.

Thanks again!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:28 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Local municipalities could restrict it further

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:10 am Reply with quoteBack to top

If any municipality enacts/enforces a law that is contradictory to the U.S. Constitution.., they should lose any/all federal government assistance! Opps, I forgot!!! The federal government needs a leader before that could ever happen!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Here's a link that might be of interest. It is the FAQ's on the ISP website and has the info about "container carry" about half way down the page.
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http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

How can I legally transport a firearm on my person or in my vehicle?
There is more than one way to legally transport a firearm. However, in order to be in compliance with all statutes, it is recommended all firearms be transported:
Unloaded,
Enclosed in a case and,
By persons who have a valid FOID card.


What constitutes a legal "case" for transporting a firearm?
The Criminal Code refers to "a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container." However, the Wildlife Code is more specific, defining case as "a container specifically designed for the purpose of housing a gun or bow and arrow device which completely encloses such gun or bow and arrow device by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened with no portion of the gun or bow and arrow device exposed."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:31 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I understand that transportation requirements under the wildlife code have recently changed to mirror Illinois transport law.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

What it boils down to is that you may transport a firearm as long as it is unloaded, if the ammunition and firearm are placed in such a position as to render aforementioned firearm TOTALLY USELESS in the event you are assaulted/attacked or threatened by one or more individuals intent on causing serious physical injury or death.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

DownHomeCharlie tells it like it is!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:23 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

That was a mouthful!!! I got a little short of breath just typing that line.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The big problem that still exists, if your not willing to plan for legal fees don't push the envelope. That's just sad...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

SiliconSorcerer wrote:
The big problem that still exists, if your not willing to plan for legal fees don't push the envelope. That's just sad...


yep.. technically I could carry a small pistol in my pocket if it's in a ziplock bag and unloaded. but bad idea

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