IL AWB Introduced!!!

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:00 pm

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/95/HB/09500HB0873.htm

This is going to be bad. This basically bans everything. You must register your guns with the ISP and prove to them that you purchased them before the ban went into effect.

Corporal Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 702

let me guess this is for thr whole state now?

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

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Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a semi-automatic "assault weapon", an "assault weapon" attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge. Provides that beginning 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act. Provides that on or after the effective date of this amendatory Act, such person may transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer. Specifies penalties for violations. Provides exemptions. Provides that the provisions of the Act are severable. Effective immediately.

I do wonder just how this is going to help crime. Passing this law is going to wake up alot of people. If they can do this in Illinois then the country is next with another AWB because they aren't going to stop.

Time to go underground, and start stocking up on ammunition.

So much for "every man is a rifleman".

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:28 pm

I'm not going to hide anything. I don't consider myself a second class citizen to any one. We are not their subjects ... they work for us. Evil or Very Mad

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

Well there were 300 Spartians against 10,000 Persians (Iranians) who asked the Spartian people to disarm, and the Spartians replied:

"COME AND GET THEM !!!"

http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/

Newbie Joined: Feb 17, 2007 Posts: 7

It absolutely won't help stop crime.. The libs will not allow facts to confuse their agenda though. It is not unlike the Copperheads were back in the Civil War.
I just joined and donated to the forum recently, I am glad to see there is a good group of Red Blooded Americans that care about our rights..
Also, as stated in this thread, this will probably wake up a lot of people after the fact.. it's just too darn bad people are so complacent about their rights these days.. It's a lot easier to fight for your rights and keep them, then lose them and have to fight to get them back.
I must say, I have always lived in Illinois but I travel around a lot.. and it is a fact that the general public in Illinois is BRainWashed with Liberal Gun GRabbing Trash. I can't believe that so many people could vote for a scumbag like our Governor.. I am afraid that our only hope is that he is indicted before he leaves office… The man disgusts me, so much I can’t even speak his name.. I guess I will refer to him the same way the FBI does.. (Public Official “A”). LOL

rwbazillion wrote:

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Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a semi-automatic ""assault weapon"", an ""assault weapon"" attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge. Provides that beginning 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act. Provides that on or after the effective date of this amendatory Act, such person may transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer. Specifies penalties for violations. Provides exemptions. Provides that the provisions of the Act are severable. Effective immediately.

I do wonder just how this is going to help crime. Passing this law is going to wake up alot of people. If they can do this in Illinois then the country is next with another AWB because they aren't going to stop.

Time to go underground, and start stocking up on ammunition.

So much for "every man is a rifleman".

Private Joined: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 281

I will never surrender my 2nd amendment rights, never! I will never give up any of the firearms that I have purchased just to be politically correct with that loony Blajovech! Oh, that reminds me..I did send him two e-mails yesterday telling him of how everyone in Illinois disdains him for his gun-control politics! I will post what I wrote to him soon (I am waiting for his ludicras relpy as I write!)

Corporal Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 702

good luck i sent one to my mayor as well but since they are after the same thing you might not hear anything from him there cowards to reply aanyway good luck.

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

To suberbangunslinger and raven:

You guys need to realize that the governor and mayor are politicians. Yes they may have personal anti-gun stances but the reason they can even be anti-gun is not due to their stances but because a MAJORITY of the people within Chicago are anti-gun. If the people of the city were pro-gun, then either they wouldn't be elected or they would change their stances.

Look at Georgia and Virginia many people there are pro-gun and most of not all the candidates are pro-gun. Chicagoland is very anti-gun and extreme democratic. now if you have noticed that the governor has to walk a thin line because even though he probably has anti-gun stances outside of Chicagoland there are many pro-gun people. He doesn't want to have the down staters vote him out of office. But Daley doesn't have that problem so he will be more vocal about anti-gun policies, because he can.

You noticed that Topinka didn't support conceal carry. It most likely wasn't because she was against it, but she had some advisor's do poll numbers which probably told her that a MAJORITY of people didn't support it.

Point is here guys is that We don't have a majority. It sucks but it is what it is.

Now what can we do, we can keep on shooting and keep up practicing our shooting skills; we can also teach others about firearms and the benefits of firearm ownership; and we can also call our representatives and protests any laws we do not like.

Just keep on training and improving your shooting skills. Cool

Private Joined: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 281

Dear Mr. Governor,
I must say that I as an American and a resident of Illinois your Chicago-style anti-gun politics appaul me and many other gun owners here in Illinois. We are sick and tired of you tightening the noose on our gun-rights. Let me get straight to the point here: If you ever try again to raise the price of a FOID to $500 I swear to God I will move out of state because such a price is ridiculous!(Since when do I have to pay such a high-price for my own 2nd Amendment rights?) Gun control only helps the criminals, not the citizens or Government:

Fact Sheet: The Unintended Consequences of Gun Control

A. Waiting periods threaten the safety of people in imminent danger
* Bonnie Elmasri -- She inquired about getting a gun to protect herself from a husband who had repeatedly threatened to kill her. She was told there was a 48 hour waiting period to buy a handgun. But unfortunately, Bonnie was never able to pick up a gun. She and her two sons were killed the next day by an abusive husband of whom the police were well aware.1
* Marine Cpl. Rayna Ross -- She bought a gun (in a non-waiting period state) and used it to kill an attacker in self-defense two days later.2 Had a 5-day waiting period been in effect, Ms. Ross would have been defenseless against the man who was stalking her.
* Los Angeles riots -- USA Today reported that many of the people rushing to gun stores during the 1992 riots were "lifelong gun-control advocates, running to buy an item they thought they'd never need." Ironically, they were outraged to discover they had to wait 15 days to buy a gun for self-defense.3
B. Trigger Locks can delay one's ability to use a firearm for self-defense
* Trigger locks are dangerous and cumbersome for self-defense. The Wall Street Journal noted how when Beretta tested a "Saf T Lok," it cause 18 of 27 rounds to "totally malfunction." And when Handgun Control's chief attorney attempted to demonstrate the same trigger lock at an HCI-sponsored event, he found, to his embarrassment, that he was unable to disengage the lock.4
* A trigger lock can be very difficult to remove from a firearm in an emergency. Maryland Governor Parris Glendening struggled for at least two whole minutes to remove a trigger lock at a training session in March 2000.5 If it can take that long to remove such a lock -- when there's only the pressure of being embarrassed in front of the cameras -- what will a trigger lock mean for a homeowner who needs to use his or her self-defense gun during an emergency, in the bedroom, in the dark?
* The Mafia favors trigger locks -- for their victims. Mafia turncoat, Sammy "the Bull" Gravano, expressed his love for gun control in an interview with Vanity Fair: "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins."6
C. Real life examples of how "locking up one's safety" can result in death
* Canada: Ian Dunbar of Green Lake, B.C. was four years old and home from kindergarten in 1994. While playing in his back yard, a bear attacked him. His mother jumped on the bear and hit him. A neighbor went to get a rifle, but was unable to find the key. They finally snatched Ian away and rushed him to the hospital, but he died in his mother's arms on the way.7
* United States: Every month, the American Rifleman magazine publishes a column entitled the "Armed Citizen" -- a column which highlights recent press stories from around the nation where private citizens have used guns in self-defense. Virtually any self-defense story one reads out of the "Armed Citizen" would NOT have occurred if a trigger-lock had been in place on the firearm.
* Colorado: "If I'd had a trigger lock, I'd be dead." After being repeatedly stabbed by three young men in his Colorado home, Chuck Harris managed to grab the .44-Magnum pistol he kept in a desk drawer. Thankfully, Harris didn't have to remember a combination or fiddle with a trigger lock -- he just pointed the gun and fired.
That quick thinking saved his life, and has caused Harris to later reflect upon what was, perhaps, the obvious. "If I'd had a trigger lock, I'd be dead," he said. "If my pistol had been in a gun safe, I'd be dead. If the bullets were stored separate, I'd be dead. They were going to kill me."8
D. California: A Case Study in Contrasts
* Merced. On the morning of August 23, 2000, Jonathon David Bruce attacked a houseful of kids. Armed with a pitchfork -- and without a stitch of clothing on his body -- Bruce proceeded to stab the children. Two of them died.
The oldest of the children, Jessica Carpenter (14), was quite proficient with firearms. She had been trained by her father and knew how to use them. There was just one problem: the guns were locked up in compliance with California state law. Unable to use the firearms, Jessica was forced to flee the house to get help. Mr. Bruce's murderous rampage was finally cut short when officers -- carrying guns -- arrived on the scene.9
* San Francisco. Contrast the Carpenter's tragic situation to that of A.D. Parker. In February 2000, he was awakened by strange noises outside his bedroom in the middle of the night. The 83-year-old Parker grabbed a handgun he had not even used in several decades, went to his bedroom door, and found himself face-to-face with a thug holding a crowbar.
Thankfully, because Mr. Parker had not obeyed California law, he didn't have to fiddle with a trigger lock, remember a combination, or look for a key in the dark room. He simply pointed the gun and pulled the trigger -- which is why he survived the attack.10

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1 Congressional Record (May 8, 1991), at H 2859, H 2862.
2 Wall Street Journal (March 3, 1994) at A10.
3 Jonathan T. Lovitt, "Survival for the armed," USA Today (May 4, 1992).
4 "A Simple Invention Points Up Complexity of Gun-Control Suits, The Wall Street Journal, April 23, 1999.
5 Gerald Mizejewski, "Device wins police praise but fails to move skeptics," The Washington Times (March 23, 2000).
6 Interview with Sammy Gravano in Howard Blum, "The Reluctant Don," Vanity Fair (September 1999), p. 165.
7 The Gun Owners, April 16, 1999, p. 5.
8 Ellen Miller, "Man faces suspects accused of attacking him after getting ride," Rocky Mountain News (March 14, 2001).
9 Kimi Yoshino, "Gun advocates say fear of liability keeps parents from teaching survival skills," The Fresno Bee (August 26, 2000).
10 William Rasberry, "Ask A.D. Parker about gun control," The Denver Post (March 20, 2000).

I know that you are a social liberal and you want Government to take care of everything, however if you read the Constitution it says: "We the people of the United States" not "We the Government" or "We the Rod Blajovech." I am speaking on behalf of all the gun owners that wish to see a CCW (or concealed carry) law passed (you know the one where the state issues someone a permit so they can carry their handgun with them.) I and my fellow citizens want more gun-rights in this state, and if we do not get them we will use all means legally to get them or we will move elsewhere for those rights (like Indiana or Nebraska to name a few!) If you want something to actually do, why not introduce a CCW Law or pass one? If you do, the people will thank you for it and you won't have the NRA or groups like Icarry.org running criticizing you. Oh and one more thing before I leave you to ponder these words in that huge thing we humans call a brain: I think you opposing tax cuts is stupid! Even an idiot could figure out that tax-cuts help the middle-class, the Rich are the only people that can afford to pay insanely high taxes. If you reduce taxes on the middle-class they can buy/consume more goods which in turn revive the economy (this is important in Illinois as well!) I believe that no matter what stance we take on politics we should support our fellow Americans (including the Troops) and our leader, the President! I may hate the way you do politics, but I respect your opinion because you are my fellow American countrymen. I continue to pray for your safety and well-being, Mr. Governor.

Sincerly,
Andy Bohan

Corporal Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 702

now thats a letter i dont have the ability to right that good my wife writes like that even though i didnt write this letter im proud of the person who did Very Happy

Private Joined: Feb 20, 2007 Posts: 281

I am still waiting for a reply from Mr. Blajovech, I will post any reply (or excuse) that I get from him.

Corporal Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 702

i hope that man gets terrified from all the letters ,phonecalls, so he will stop screwing american people he can you post his email i would like to send him afew thought my self.

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

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It absolutely won't help stop crime.. The libs will not allow facts to confuse their agenda though. It is not unlike the Copperheads were back in the Civil War.
I just joined and donated to the forum recently, I am glad to see there is a good group of Red Blooded Americans that care about our rights..
Also, as stated in this thread, this will probably wake up a lot of people after the fact.. it's just too darn bad people are so complacent about their rights these days.. It's a lot easier to fight for your rights and keep them, then lose them and have to fight to get them back.
I must say, I have always lived in Illinois but I travel around a lot.. and it is a fact that the general public in Illinois is BRainWashed with Liberal Gun GRabbing Trash. I can't believe that so many people could vote for a scumbag like our Governor.. I am afraid that our only hope is that he is indicted before he leaves office… The man disgusts me, so much I can’t even speak his name.. I guess I will refer to him the same way the FBI does.. (Public Official “A”). LOL

Well Freedomlover, the best way to deal with liberal gun grabbing is to educate as many people about the truth about firearms. Educating people is the best way to get people on your side.

I have educated many non-gun owners about firearms. when you do so to them you become an expert on the issue and they can see your passion and knowledge about guns. Even if they never want to own, at least when you educate them, they can then determine for themselves what is propaganda and what is fact.