John Birch (ConcealCarry.org) hangs up the towel

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:13 pm

in case you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.concealcarry.org

Crying or Very sad

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:30 pm

Well nutz, there goes one of our leaders in the fight against the corrupt city state of chicago.

Named because that is who we are fighting, not Springfeild.

Boy it is easy to see how John got discouraged. Nothing like beating your head against a wall for 10 years.

Good luck John, and thanks for all you have done. Pray for us lost bastards here behind the wall, we haven't beaten our heads as much as you have yet I guess.

The Guy

P.S. I know where Chatsworth is, 5 miles from my home. they have a swimming pool there you would not belive!

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

Too bad but his spirit lives on in gun owners. His emails brought me to Icarry.org and the blog group has increased in number since so there are some victories.

But the best thing we as gun owners need to do is organize and educate, which this blog does very well. organized groups can be the best thing against anti-gun retorick and laws.

Even if the anti's do pass a semi-auto bill, it will be symbolic only because most gun owners will not give up their guns. I know I won't. Unfortunately, gun crime will continue, so keep your eyes on the prize and don't be too discouraged. Eventually people will see that even with the passage of such laws there was no change in gun violence. The anti's will then have to validate their laws, thus putting them on the defensive.

We can still practice our shooting skills, even if we are labeled criminals and have to go underground. Most police organizations know that law-abiding gun owners are not their enemy and if we keep strong in our ideas and keep shooting, there is nothing that the anti's can do to ban law-abiding gun owners from their weapons.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:54 pm

That's just plain depressing.

Private Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 287 Location: Dolton

Its so sad and depressing to see him go out like that.
John Birch has tried and tried again to make a change in illinois.
Unfortunately he stopped and saw the handwritting on the wall
and saw in his eyes that he is fighting a losing battle. Now he has decided
to move to a gun friendly state. Well i hope that he can at least
pass his knowledge down to icarry. Some of his knowledge we can use
to further our cause.

John Birch..you will be missed..

Corporal Joined: Feb 11, 2006 Posts: 702

yep its suprising this is happing, but its not that suprising that the dark empire is still in control and gaining its forces for the assualt on our second amendment im not giving in like that just to see my stuff to go bye bye mr.birch out up agood fight here but the resastance is getting to strong .

Private Joined: Sep 09, 2005 Posts: 184

I thought it was a little whiny on how he ended it.

Good luck to the man.

The fight aint over, till its over.

c-rock

Newbie Joined: May 21, 2006 Posts: 23

We should try to get something like decriminalizing 22's rifle or pistol to the status of bb guns or some such. If not that, then something. There are a lot of gun friendly dems outside of Chicago that can be a benefit to us if we encourage them. (Yeeuck) You will have to try to ignore the bad taste.

The feds do not track "black powder" guns. Why do we have to do that in the peoples republic? Surely, we can get something.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:34 pm

Let's not give up yet on a gun ban. We need to fight anything they put out with all we've got. Personally, I'm not one to concede to anything. ICarry.org will not support gun control in any fashion. We will support the restoration of our rights, step by step, small piece by piece. We won't make any deals (eg. you give us preemption if we let you pass "gun show loophole" type thing). We're no-compromise.

Never give up -- always fight. Don't let them pass a single thing!

Newbie Joined: May 21, 2006 Posts: 23

SAK wrote:

Let's not give up yet on a gun ban. We need to fight anything they put out with all we've got. Personally, I'm not one to concede to anything. ICarry.org will not support gun control in any fashion. We will support the restoration of our rights, step by step, small piece by piece. We won't make any deals (eg. you give us preemption if we let you pass "gun show loophole" type thing). We're no-compromise.

Never give up -- always fight. Don't let them pass a single thing!

Agreed!!! We saw how the "deals" work. My point was that there should be some incremental changes to the postive that could be made.

Corporal Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 788

Remember that the gun manufacturers have the last say in this and if they pass a semi-auto ban or cook county AWB and they start leaving. What will the governor do then. Hopefully the media shows the exodus of gun manufacturers from Illinois. Some will like them leaving like Jessie Jackson, but I'm pretty sure though that the media will mention the loss of jobs as a result, and money always has the last laugh.

The media likes conflict because it creates money for them, so when Springfield Arms and other gun manufacturers starts packing their bags; I think it will be a big thing, and the governor will be scrambling to try to keep them here in this state.

He may even have to recind any AWB or semi-auto ban. Remember money talks.

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:01 am

Maybe if some gun manufacturers threatened to leave because of the Cook country AWB we could get preemption for all firearms legislation. As one legislator said even when the AWB was nationwide they didn't go out of business. I don't think Blagojevich and some of the other anti-gun legislators really care, unless they thought it would cost them their jobs.

Leethecuz, Welcome to the forum.

Private Joined: Sep 14, 2005 Posts: 126

IMO Rod couldn't care less if the manufacturers left. I recall reading that jobs in this field in IL totaled about 800. Hell, doesn't IL lose more than that each month as savvy businesses bail out of this cess pool?

Initiate Joined: Mar 09, 2006 Posts: 49

He's right about how the anti-gunners are using emotions to pull on the heart strings of people to have them agree to anti-gun laws, but I don't understand why the pro-gun crowd doesn't do the same thing. It's tough to console a crying mother with facts and figures stating that really if her son was carrying a gun he would have been safer.

But the pro-gun populace should appeal emotionally to people as well, why don't they introduce a bill that would allow any woman who has a restraining order on someone to carry a weapon. Seriously who could come out against that and not be labeled a woman hater. If the pro-gun lobby really wanted to fight fire with fire they would air a commercial that is a 911 call of a woman being raped/murdered and then come on and ask would a concealed gun have made her safer. Yeah, it's playing dirty put frankly whatever they have been doing for the last 10 years isn't working, it's time to try a few new tricks.

Private Joined: Jan 03, 2006 Posts: 265

frethought wrote:

If the pro-gun lobby really wanted to fight fire with fire they would air a commercial that is a 911 call of a woman being raped/murdered and then come on and ask would a concealed gun have made her safer. Yeah, it's playing dirty put frankly whatever they have been doing for the last 10 years isn't working, it's time to try a few new tricks.

Because we don't want to lower ourselves to their level. I don't want to live in an America where it is acceptable to air a commercial of a 911 call from a woman being raped and murdered. It's traumatizing enough to the victims and families; I don't want everyone in the listening/viewing audience to have to be traumatized too.

But I like the idea of using advertising, we just need a positive spin. It needs the "extreme sports" treatment-- the gung-ho testosterone-charged teenage boys of today are the voters of tomorrow.

We could do some Sierra Mist-type commercials with somebody target shooting and then show some Polar Bear club or something and say, "Yeah, it's kinda like that." Laughing

Or maybe even some stylized "danger" commercials like the scene in A Christmas Story where Ralphie fantasizes about defending his poor, defenseless frontier family from senseless evil with his trusty Red Ryder carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle.

Then we could work up to credit-card style ads, like
Tickets to the movie: $15.00
Pre-owned carry pistol: $200
Ammunition: $20.00
Knowing that you'll be safe on your way home from the movie: Priceless

There are some reassurances you can count on others to provide; for everything else, there's concealed carry.

Other ideas, y'all?