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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have a question. Someone asked me this question the other day and i had absolutely no idea for an answer...
If a gun is unregistered, can you get it registered? or would you just be prosecuted on the spot??? Or if you buy one thats unregistered, can you get it registered?

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

There is no gun registration in illinois. Please elaborate.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:10 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I thought guns had to be registered in illinois right?

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Nope, Illinois registers "Gun Owners" via the FOID. If you have a FOID then your good. Some municipalities may require that you register with them but all i can think of is chicago. There is no registration required if you possess a FOID card.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

SWEET! THANKS!!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

unless you found a gun in say.... A shallow pond in a secluded area or a dumpster in the city, I would turn those in.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:33 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

lmao no i think he was just wanting to get a gun from his grand father that he brought back from the war

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Although, whenever you buy one from a dealer there is a paper trail on it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:55 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

but if there is no paper trail, is it illegal is what i'm saying.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

No. If you buy it retail, they want the paper trail. If you buy it from, say, a gun show, then it's all private. That is why they want to get rid of private sales and gun shows.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

ah makes sense lol Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:50 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

jknapp wrote:
but if there is no paper trail, is it illegal is what i'm saying.
MikeBasche wrote:
No. If you buy it retail, they want the paper trail. If you buy it from, say, a gun show, then it's all private. That is why they want to get rid of private sales and gun shows.

JUST TO ELABORATE on what Mike wrote.

1. Guns sold at gun shows BY DEALERS do have a paper trail. You have to fill out all the papers, pass your background check, comply with state laws, etc etc etc.

2. Guns sold in PRIVATE SALES have a PARTIAL PAPER TRAIL and may (if the seller chooses) have a full paper trail. If 2 people of good character meet for a private sale and one sells the other a gun he may choose to get a bill of sale as a condition of selling the gun. That is a paper trail. The BATFE can trace the gun to the seller, who in turn produces the bill of sale, which then traces the gun to the buyer. In the event that no bill of sale is made (legal in SOME states) then the paper trail ends.

3. Only a few states have an actual "registration" of guns. Registration requires the current owner to register the gun with a current database.

4. A dealer selling a gun must hold, in his book, the background check form. That form is NOT registration. When that purchase is made the dealer does NOT provide the serial number of the gun(s) being sold to the FBI during the background check. So that form is not a real "registration" since the government is not holding the information. However, if the gun is confiscated in connection with a crime, it can be "traced" to that dealer, who then produces his book which shows to whom he sold the gun. The BATFE then knocks on the buyers door who should either 1) produce the gun, 2) produce evidence the gun was stolen, 3) produce evidence the gun was sold, or (if legal in his state) 4) indicate the gun had been previously sold in a private sale (with or without a bill of sale).

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

More clarification on 2)
A seller is REQUIRED to keep a record of sale for 10 years. If they trace a gun to you and you sold the gun and you didn't own it for 10 years and 1 day you better have a bill of sale. Wait 10 years a 3 days even if you sold it immediately you'd have to wait the three days, whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

SiliconSorcerer wrote:
More clarification on 2)
A seller is REQUIRED to keep a record of sale for 10 years. If they trace a gun to you and you sold the gun and you didn't own it for 10 years and 1 day you better have a bill of sale. Wait 10 years a 3 days even if you sold it immediately you'd have to wait the three days, whatever.


And even MORE clarification on 2)

Yes, in SOME states a seller may be required to keep record of sale for a specified time period. This varies by state. In some states there is no record needed at all. It is critical that we each know our own state laws.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

melensdad wrote:
SiliconSorcerer wrote:
More clarification on 2)
A seller is REQUIRED to keep a record of sale for 10 years. If they trace a gun to you and you sold the gun and you didn't own it for 10 years and 1 day you better have a bill of sale. Wait 10 years a 3 days even if you sold it immediately you'd have to wait the three days, whatever.


And even MORE clarification on 2)

Yes, in SOME states a seller may be required to keep record of sale for a specified time period. This varies by state. In some states there is no record needed at all. It is critical that we each know our own state laws.


In IL bill of sale required. Hold onto for 7 or 10 years.
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